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What is wrong with this huge big column in the SF Chronicle, arguing that poor Asan Akbar, who killed fellow American military personnel by lobbing grenades into their tent was comparable to Black soldiers in Vietnam who went berserk on their fellow combatants?
I know! Asan Akbar joined the army voluntarily - he wasn't drafted and was free to leave any time he felt that the Army life was clashing with his personal beliefs - how hard is that to understand?
The targets of the attacks were mostly junior field officers. The men who tossed grenades at or shot their officers in many cases were African Americans.Posted by shanti at March 27, 2003 3:15 PMThey were pushed over the top by what they considered the brutal, racist and dehumanizing treatment by white officers. Their hatred was fed by resentment of being drafted and forced to fight in what they considered a racist, senseless war, against oppressed colored people.
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Good post. Good point.
However, I think you are ignoring or atleast underestimating the peer pressure involved. Yes, Akbar had a voluntary job. But once there, the army can be very structured and regimented. People who don’t toe the line are severely reprimanded. The nature of the job entails a high level of conformity. In his case, leaving the army, while being a theoretical possibility, is not much of a choice. He would have been ridiculed, humiliated by the only peers he knows.
Clearly this pressure pushed him over the edge.
I don’t agree with the article either. The racial undertones of the time is mentioned but short-changed in the final analysis.
Posted by: san1ty at March 28, 2003 11:40 AM
Good point. It’s a shame that our culture emphasizes preformance to such a degree. People shouldn’t have to resort to that kind of action because they don’t live up to their own expectations.
Posted by: George Nemeth at March 28, 2003 12:47 PM
Thanks, sanity - I agree there is a lot more peer pressure and the pressure to conform in the military than anywhere else.
George, sad but true - but also necessary in some situations.
Posted by: Shanti at March 28, 2003 1:45 PM
I do wonder how old that journalist is. His attribution of racist motives for the fragging in ‘Nam does not square with the way I remember it, except insofar as it was mostly junior officers who got taken out. A number of them were first-time-out ROTC grads who refused to listen to the experienced NCO’s and kept getting people killed by screwing up.
Posted by: John Anderson at March 29, 2003 4:16 PM
John, every time someone writes about history, they change it a little, making it conform to their idea of what it should have been like. Black soldiers revolting against white ones, gotta be racism - so goes the thinking. Who cares what really happened?
Posted by: Shanti at March 29, 2003 6:58 PM
I’m no Vietnam historian, but I’d be suprised if the Black soldiers went berserk in the first week of the war.
Posted by: John Davies at March 30, 2003 11:16 PM
Good point, John.
Posted by: Shanti at March 31, 2003 7:01 AM
In answer to sanity who says, “In his case(Asan Akbar),leaving the army, while being a theoretical possibility, is not much of a choice. He would have been ridiculed, humiliated by the only peers he knows.” So you want me to believe that to avoid ridicule and humiliation he chose the hatred of his peers, disgrace for his family, loathing by most of his countrymen, and probable death by execution after a speedy court martial. Could it be that all we have here is another example of Muslim fanaticism?
Posted by: Richard Arnone at April 1, 2003 12:21 AM
The simplest explanation is most often the right one, Richard - I find your explanation a lot more believable, especially after reports about the problems his father had too, with law enforcement.
Posted by: Shanti at April 1, 2003 7:00 AM
Shanti,
If this Asan fellow was indeed a Muslim fanatic, I find it implausible that he was fighting for the US forces in the first place. War in Iraq was a distinct possibility ever since the beginning of this year, following Mr. Hussein’s refusal to step down, and Dr. Blix’s failure to find any WMDs.
I personally would believe that he went wacko after watching some Al Jazeera reports. Is his trial going to be privately held? I would like to know why he did it, wouldn’t you?
Darsen.
Posted by: Darsen Shandyl at April 2, 2003 12:41 AM
Of course, I want to know why he did it - but then this is a military matter and the military is probably going to hold a closed “Court Martial”, which is a standard procedure.
I don’t know why he should suddenly go whacko after watching some TV reports and not believe the people he is working with on a daily basis instead of some TV reporter.
Posted by: Shanti at April 2, 2003 7:10 AM