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I’m wondering if we can hire a terrorist to do the job. Would be fitting. :evil:

Yazad, either that will make her see the stupidity of her claims or she could turn into female Robert Fisk and write paens for the hooligans who will beat her up. Why am I more inclined to believed the latter of her? :huh:

I am not siding with anyone but this is the price you pay for Freedom of Speech. If you look at it objectively, however crass & stupid it may sound, every dog is entitled to its views, right?

Oh, I completely agree with you there, Dilip! She definitely has her right to speak. What makes me mad is her claim to be speaking for the “people of India” and the blind acceptance of her word in the foreign press. Arundhati roy has every right to speak for herself - when she tries to mold herself into a spokeswoman for others, I think she crosses a line.

freedom of stupidity!

In this particuar article in LA Times I am not sure where she claims to be speaking for the Indian People. However I didn’t read it too closely. I will get back to you after that. Meanwhile you should check out the comment left by a guy named SAS over at:
http://varnam.org/blog/archives/000363.html

He/She makes a lot of sense IMHO…

Oh, the cartel’s dilemma! On one hand, we want to hit her with a rocket launcher, and on the other we have to support her freedom to spout the crap she does.

It’s a tough libertarian world…

Freedom of Stupidity, it is! The Verbal Terrorist aka the One-book wonder seems to have a strong craving to be in news for matters good or silly—it’s mostly silly if her writing is any indication.

Ramachandra Guha has made a scathing criticism of Roy as follows:

“One, about her writing style. She tends to simplify complex issues into black-and-white positions. She exaggerates, uses hyperbole, and makes outrageous analogies such as comparing large dams and nuclear weapons. She made frivolous remarks like ‘the dam should be made a museum to failed technologies.’

This is dangerous because if you have people who shriek and simplify, the moderate environmental voice which after 20 years of hard work is beginning to be heard will also be called loony. Roy’s non-fiction writings have deteriorated, her writings on the bomb and the dam show exaggeration, those on globalisation show no understanding of economics, and those on 9/11 are totally off the wall. In her writings on Gujarat riots, she made up incidents.

These fabrications discouraged the secular press. However good a fiction writer she may be, she is a careless, slipshod and not very effective writer of social and political commentary.”

Need we say more?

I agree that Arundhati Roy’s views do tend to be extremist but finally she does have ‘freedom of speech’ so planning to execute her and other such plans are just insane.

Secondly what right do you NRI’s (most ppl posting here tend to be) have to decide who’s the voice of India. You’ll are about as ‘Indian’ as African-Americans are African. Flashing photos of Indian Dances and tigers doesn’t make you any more Indian than drinking Coke makes me American.

You guys have a single ambition from Birth. Getting your green card.

So I’d suggest you just shut up about this whole voice of India thing.

I agree that Arundhati Roy’s views do tend to be extremist but finally she does have ‘freedom of speech’ so planning to execute her and other such plans are just insane.

Secondly what right do you NRI’s (most ppl posting here tend to be) have to decide who’s the voice of India. You’ll are about as ‘Indian’ as African-Americans are African. Flashing photos of Indian Dances and tigers doesn’t make you any more Indian than drinking Coke makes me American.

You guys have a single ambition from Birth. Getting your green card.

So I’d suggest you just shut up about this whole voice of India thing.

I agree that Arundhati Roy’s views do tend to be extremist but finally she does have ‘freedom of speech’ so planning to execute her and other such plans are just insane.

Oh dear, you’re taking my rocket launcher comment seriously? You’re kidding me!

Yes, we support her freedom of speech. That doesn’t mean we have to agree with it.


Secondly what right do you NRI’s (most ppl posting here tend to be) have to decide who’s the voice of India.

I’m a resident Indian, as are Yazad, Ravikiran, Sandeep, Kingsley, and a whole bunch of other people who comment here regularly.

We’re not voting on who gets to be the “voice of India”. Shanti is objecting to the Western media treating Roy’s opinions as the voice of mainstream India.

You guys have a single ambition from Birth. Getting your green card.

No, no, that was only from the age of 15. :tongue3:


(But hey, good attempt at trolling.)

Wow! We are getting trolls again - how interesting. It was kinda getting boring out here without any excitement ;)

Hey, the troll has just uncovered our plan to execute Roy. Dammit! Dammit! Dammit! :angry:

Can’t you guys keep a lid on anything?

p.s- am an Indian who has never left Indian shores.

I am sorry, Gaurav - we NRIs are pretty bad at keeping the RIs’ secrets. This should give you good fodder for Someachaar, though :)

If anti-terrorism laws are open to abuse, the best solution is that there should be no such law. Then we could apply the same thinking to health law, traffic laws, building codes, laws against dowry. A society without laws is one where law is not corrupted.

I think the last guy who came up with this line of thinkiing was a guy named Pol Pot.

I think the last guy who came up with this line of thinkiing was a guy named Pol Pot.

You better not come up with him as an example. Look what happened to him — he died without getting prosecuted for any of his crimes and the Khmer Rouge almost elevated him to martyr status.

KXB,

I think that’s what A. Roy wants. No Laws. She believes in dictators more than democracies. She does not believe in nations. She supports mass murderers.

I completely agree with you there, KXB. It never fails to amaze me how these communists never fail to reiterate their commitment to dictators and mass murderers and never fail to condemn democratically elected heads of state.

Oops, that was me posting as KXB. Wrong neurons got connected.

In that case, I agree with you instead, JK :)

To all the resident Indians posting comments here my apologies.

Yes!! I knew that whole execution thing was a joke and my response to it was a rather lame attempt at a joke of my own. Sorry about that but my sense of humour sux.

I do not agree with Arundhati Roy’s views and definately agree that most of her loud-mouthed ranting are plain media grabbing histrionics. Realizing that she doesn’t have any more books up her sleeve this is her last pathetic attempt at garnering attention.

Now back to my routine ‘trolling’
My problem is with NRI’s. Their hypocricy is evident. How do you guys define yourselves as Desi and ‘Indian’ when there’s absolutely no concern for India.
As soon as you change your citizenship you seize to be Indians legally and all this ‘heart being in India’ stuff is crap. You guys caused Brain Drain. You use government resources to get educated and then migrate, change your citizenship and leave only your ‘heart’ back in India.
The whole idea of a Desi blogfest being held at an NRI website is ironic. Can you imagine an African competition being organized by African-Americans.

So could you ‘Desi’s’ stop pretending and acknowledge that you’re not Indian at all.

Indian troll

Where do you think much of the money invested in the Indian economy comes from? How far would Banglore and the 6 point GDP growth have gotten without the NRI’s and their money and their contacts?

This is what I find so frustrating about resident in India indians - you don’t know a good thing when you see it. China sends out a big welcome for its expatriats - if even the communists can figure it out, why can’t you?

Questions to the post above: NRI’s CAUSED brain drain??? What ever happened to searching for root causes? If you think brain drain is a real problem, then shouldn’t you accept the fact that even non-residents can and do add valuable perspective and insight into solving it? By the way, your accusations of hypocrisy and non-concern for India by NRI’s are completely unwarranted. This may go over your head, but maybe NRI’s are concerned about India precisely because they are concerned about themselves. Its something to think about…

By the way, I was thinking: what would happen if Roy and Michael Moore mated and had offspring? This scenario is too scary. If Moore and Roy are ever found together, pre-emptive strikes with really big rocket launchers should not be ruled out.

(When I meant “the post above”, I meant that my questions were directed at Indian troll, not at MD!)

Indian troll - first of all, I am not a US citizen. I don’t even have my green card yet. Secondly, my parents and in-laws still live in India, which makes what is happening in India my concern. Rest of your points I think have been quite nicely handled by MD and Manan.

Manan, you are giving me nightmares even thinking about an offspring of Roy and Moore - he would probably be the blowhard of blowhards!

Wasn’t Mahatma Gandhi an NRI ?

Who said all Indians have to live in India to help India prosper ? It can done by living in other countries as well.

Here is some information

http://varnam.org/blog/archives/cat_nri.html

Just a small question for the Indian troll.

What would you prefer — a “brain drain” or the brains in a drain in India?

Shouldn’t Indians aspire to change India so that that ‘Brain in a drain’ comment no longer holds true.

Think of all of India’s pioneering Industrialists who without much concern about themselves/profit started our domestic industry. eg.J.N. Tata, the Birla’s etc….how many of those industries and companies would have started if they simply left their country, started huge American companies and came back once a year to receive an award at ‘Pravasi Bhartiya Divas.’ Although the socialist policies of the 50’s-80’s did curtail the expansion of these industries they till today make India one of the largest producers of steel etc.
NRI’s on the other hand, although they do often provide some money, never start anything inside the country. A nation that relies completely on foreign investment for its industries can NEVER ever become a regional power of its own.
Companies started by Resident Indians on the other hand, like Infosys, Wipro, TCS etc, are creating jobs within our country. They’re employing thousands and creating a framework for all indegenous industries.
To compare Sabeer Bhatia, who’s claim to faim is selling his website for $400 million, to Azim Premji or Narainmurthy is nonsense, The last two have helped develop this country, the first left this country at the first opportunity he got, dumped his Indian passport and now only returns because its the only place where anyone respects him.

And claiming that you yet haven’t got a green card is no display of ‘Indianness’. The very fact that you aim to chuck your citizenship of a country which you seem to be so proud of (look at all the images on the front page) is proof enough of your hypocricy.

NRI’s never start anything in India? No businesses in India were started by NRIs who came back? Care to back that up with a reference?

Oh, and I actually agree with many of your comments, Mr. Troll. India must build its’ own economy to be strong. It’s just that why not take the positive view? Get help where you can get it? Instead of complaining about a brain drain - India has a billion people. I am sure there are many intelligent people who can do the same job. Just because a few come to the United States shouldn’t stop India from having success. I’m sorry, it’s just that I do care very much that India be successful. It is a democracy, it can have a strong, powerful economy and it is the home of my parents, whom I love beyond anything else.

Sorry to take up so much space Shanti, and best wishes to Mr. Troll:nice:

Excuse me, Indian Troll but it is possible to be proud of one heritage and still prefer another style of living. There is nothing hypocritical about that. Yes, I like the images of India and I like a lot of things about India. If you look at some of my site’s other looks, you will find Japanese and Chinese-art based themes too. Just because I like Japanese and Chinese art doesn’t mean I have to live there or become a citizen.

I combine all the things I like into my lifestyle and I find it ridiculous for someone to tell me that I have to be either 100% Indian/American/whatever or none at all. Hey, if you find the BlogMela hosted my an NRI, why don’t you go ahead, take initiative and start something? Instead of spitting on the hands of those who are trying to show the face of India to the world, why don’t you do something about it if you think you can do such a better job?

Instead of changing the subject everytime there is a question you cannot answer, why don’t you tell us why exactly don’t NRIs have any say about anything India? Why shouldn’t we care?

Why should NRI’s not have any say about India?

The same reason why Uzbekis and Czecks shouldn’t. According to the principals of democracy. As you aren’t under any of the Indian governments laws(if you aren’t an Indian citizen), you shouldn’t have any say into what they are. I would sound somewhat insane if I started ranting about how poorly the turkish economy is progressing and how they should elect the opposition leader. As do you when you comment about Indian politics.
Indian citizens who acknowledge their identity as Indian citizens and are proud of it have EVERY right to discuss issues of Indian government as long as their aim in life isn’t getting rid of that very citizenship. eg. Zubin Mehta, the famous conductor is an Indian citizen though he lives in several different corners of the globe.

You have every right to care but I feel its slightly wrong to equate your opinion with that of a resident Indian. We resident Indians are directly affected and influenced by the governments policies. The same way an impassioned personal argument about American DOMESTIC tax cuts makes no sense if propagated by me, similarly arguments about Indian domestic policy make no sense coming from you.

I hope I’ve sufficiently tackled your queries.
If you do decide to come back here and do something for your own country I’ll be the first to acknowledge the valuable contribution of years to reverse brain drain. More infosys’s are definately needed.

Best Wishes,
Troll

According to the principals of democracy. As you aren’t under any of the Indian governments laws(if you aren’t an Indian citizen), you shouldn’t have any say into what they are.

I am sorry, but that is the biggest piece of BS I have seen in this thread. First of all, I still am an Indian citizen and travel with an Indian passport, which means Indian law applies to me. So according to you I am perfectly OK to talk about India, which nullifies your whole rant on this thread.

You try to then cover your ass by saying that anyone who is “trying” to get another citizenship shouldn’t talk about India either - by this line that you arbitrarily draw in trying to make rules about who can say what and what, how would you treat people living in India who are trying to go overseas? Shouldn’t they get the same treatment too? What about those who wish they were overseas, but don’t have the opportunity to do so? Should they not speak about India either? Do you even realize how absurd your arguments sound?

The point is that it is even irrelevant what nationality a person belongs to, they have every right to talk about anything that pleases them and you don’t have the right to ask any of them to stop. Period!

I also want to add that if you think what someone says is wrong, you should debate on the merits of the argument - where a person lives is completely irrelevant to the argument. You could live on Mars for all I care and still know more about living in India than maybe someone who has lived in India all their life. That doesn’t bring anything of substance to the table.

I have been reading this blog for quite a while now and never felt the need to add a comment because all the intelligent, witty, necessary and sufficient ones are already present. But this is different!

Is this guy (India_Troll) actually serious about what he is saying or is he a member of “The International Morons’ Convention”? I can’t believe the dude’s for real… He even spells words the way he pronounces them. e.g. definately. I really don’t mind getting personal with a dimwit like him. He would probably win the poll on “Who’s the best fart?” hands down.

PS: Why are my name and e-mail address compulsory? I think I remember someone asking the same thing sometime back.

Toeplitz, the reason why I made the email, etc. mandatory is because of all the anonymous commenters who post nothing of substance. I thought the extra effort might deter those who are merely trying to disrupt things.

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i think jenny and spacegoat are morons:angry:

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