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I have nothing but hate towards the woman Amy Richards described in this NYT story found via Michele - A Small Victory - Expendable Children. For those who will not click the link, this woman was carrying triplets and chose to murder selectively reduce two of the children so that she could continue with her downtown lifestyle and not be a suburban soccer mom. I cannot believe a human being, let alone a pregnant woman can manage the amount of callousness required to do what she did for the reasons cited by her.
I can understand aborting children who are a result of rape/incest or are deformed or otherwise suffering from serious diseases - I can understand someone getting an abortion because the mother’s life was in danger or because the person simply couldn’t afford to bring up a child due to her financial or social situation, but to willingly abort two healthy babies just so she can carry on with her “hip” lifestyle…I hope the woman rots in hell!
Posted by shanti at July 19, 2004 10:43 AMTrackBack URL for this entry:
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Thats shocking… utterly contemptible!!
And it brings a different perspective to the abortion debate, doesn’t it?
Posted by: Sameer at July 19, 2004 11:16 AM
It surely does, Sameer. This woman cannot think beyond her own self and thinks nothing of taking away two of the three lives in her womb just so motherhood is convenient for her. Didn’t anyone tell her motherhood is anything but convenient?
I don’t know if I feel sorrier for her dead children or the boy she chose to keep alive…
Posted by: Shanti at July 19, 2004 11:54 AM
Shanti, I understand your reaction to this.
But are you saying this kind of thing must be outlawed?
Posted by: MadMan at July 19, 2004 1:21 PM
Not in the least, MadMan - I don’t think abortions should be illegal, maybe after the second trimester, but in general abortion should not be illegal.
I feel nothing but contempt for a person who chooses to take a life for such shallow reasons, even after seeing the tiny humans via ultrasound (as she must have at her checkup) and watching their little hearts beat.
Posted by: Shanti at July 19, 2004 1:51 PM
I’m pretty much pro-choice, but I do believe in parental notification when minors are involved. But if I were to ever have the misfortune of coming across the selfiish b****, it would take a huge amount of self-restraint not to slap her across her East Village face.
One of my old college friends is a soon-to-be aunt. her sister and brother-in-law had to shoot painful and expensive fertility drugs in order to get pregnant. She is expecting twins. My cousin in NY suffered a miscarriage before she gave birth to two adorable kids. This is the ugly side of freedom - some people will abuse their “rights”.
Again, I am pro-choice, but can anyone name a single medical procedure that is a “right”? I have to wear glasses that are thicker than I would like, how come I don’t have a right to corrective surgery?
Posted by: KXB at July 19, 2004 2:14 PM
I feel sorrier for the attitude these women have towards motherhood and life in general. For them, perhaps, pregnancy (and children) are a by-product of their pleasure!
Posted by: Sameer at July 19, 2004 3:37 PM
Oh My god! It is difficult to believe that there can be a women like this. Whole community should boycott her.
Posted by: Manish Chauhan at July 19, 2004 11:16 PM
I read this too, and I was really uncomfortable with it. I’m pro-choice.
Let’s say she feels she’s not a fit parent for triplets. Okay, I can understand that. I have two children (not twins) still in diapers, and I have to tell you twins scare me.
But still, why not carry the infants to term, and let someone adopt them?
I realize that multiple pregnancies are more risky, but still. Put yourself out a little.
That said, “selective reduction” is done quite often when fertility drugs cause high multiple pregnancies because it makes the chances of survival greater for the rest.
Posted by: Lisa Williams at July 19, 2004 11:51 PM
KXB, I agree too that it is not really anyone’s right to have another life terminated, though like I said I am pro-choice too to an extent. I have friends who bear a lot of pain in order to conceive and then skanks like this laugh in the face of motherhood.
Sameer, to too many women abortion has become a form of birth-control.
Manish, I agree too - but it ain’t happening.
Lisa, I can certainly see where selective reduction might be required to ensure the safe birth of one or more children during a multiple pregnancy. I think it is a difficult choice for most parents and I imagine these parents agonize a lot over their decision since this mostly happens in the case of infertile couples using fertility drugs. This woman on the other hand, deserves absolutely no syumpathy.
Posted by: Shanti at July 20, 2004 10:57 AM
Can I ask you people to air your views on contraceptive usage? I would like to see how your opinions look in light of the above discussion.
Posted by: subhash at July 22, 2004 2:40 AM
Contraceptives are absolutely fine by me - I think it is imperative that people who don’t want kids use contraception so that they don’t get pregnant and resort to abortion as the last line of contraception.
Posted by: Shanti at July 22, 2004 8:27 AM
Your views are just…but then this lady seems to have thought a lot before going ahead with her decision.
Posted by: pseudofreud at July 22, 2004 9:20 AM
pf, she probably did - unfortunately what mostly comes across from her story is her smugness and absolute coldness about the way she chose to get two of her babies killed. All for what? I don’t sense a bit of sympathy from her for the two aborted babies…
Posted by: Shanti at July 22, 2004 9:46 AM
Hi,
wandered on to this site - from somewhere on the www - i guess i am going to visit it far more regularly:)
on abortion - i have read about the completely polarised stand off in the US and used to wonder why.
Now after reading this and the links - i suppose one begins to understand.
That woman in the article came across as being a selfish self centred “human being” - i don’t use the word bitch coz i like dogs, and they wouldn’t do something like this.
i hope that i never meet someone like her.
Posted by: Harini Calamur at July 24, 2004 9:08 AM
Harini, I agree that this woman represents the extreme of the pro-choice cadre and is one of the reason why people are against all-abortion all-the-time.
We hope you will keep checking in here - we love hearing from new people :)
Posted by: Shanti at July 24, 2004 12:26 PM
hey shanti…whats ur problem….i guess u have nuthin better to do….this woman amy richards is getting so much bashing just bcuz she chose to keep one baby alive….had she chosen to remove all the three babies no body would have bothered… and all the ppl who matched their views with shanti.. u guys all suck ppl…consider revising ur attitude
Posted by: assignus at July 25, 2004 11:50 AM
Assignus, maybe you would be taken a little more seriously if you just expressed opinion and left the insults behind…just saying.
Posted by: Shanti at July 25, 2004 5:04 PM
I would like to give the same suggestion to you…. just express ur opinion..dont over judge ppl and their actions… anyways that was me and u..2 different ppl..2 diff voices
Posted by: assignus at July 26, 2004 10:27 AM
Assignus, the difference is that Amy Richards published her story in a major newspaper - when you open yourself up, you are going to be judged. That is the nature of fame.
As for judging other people and their actions - why not judge? If I see a murderer or a thief, I am going to judge that person as a bad person. If I see someone morally bankrupt, I am going to say so and not hide behind political correctness.
Posted by: Shanti at July 26, 2004 11:03 AM
:confused::evil:
Posted by: assignus at July 26, 2004 1:11 PM
Shanti — I agree, but it’s interesting how many times the exact same action has a very different moral weight based exclusively on what the person taking that action is thinking.
As a Catholic, I once had someone explain to me when I was a child the difference between a venal (nonserious) and mortal (serious) sin this way: “If a kid throws a pumpkin off a highway overpass just to see it smash on the pavement, that’s a venal sin. If the same kid throws the same pumpkin, but with the idea of hitting a car, knowing that this could kill someone, that’s a mortal sin.
In a way this is related to your post on religion and morality. While religion may not be neccessary for morality, it provides an interesting and rich user interface to many ethical questions. The problem is that extremists claim religion as their own personal property, just as in the US, sadly, the flag has often come to be the property of hostile xenophobes.
Posted by: Lisa Williams at July 31, 2004 2:01 PM
How is it you can ‘understand’ a child being aborted who is the product of rape or incest?
Isn’t it still….as you say….murdering a child?
If your ‘understanding’ applies to certain situations (that are not life-threatening to the mother) and not to others…aren’t you being hypocritical?
By the way, I’m pro choice for everyone, no matter what the circumstances. It should be either legal (not for some people in some circumstances) or illegal (not for some people in some circumstances) is all I’m saying
Posted by: Karlise at December 21, 2004 2:17 PM
This is how I see it, Karlise - it is still murdering a child in every case, definitely but the difference is that in the case of rape and incest, the mother has already gone through enough trauma that her interests can be put ahead of the unborn child. That doesn’t mean I am advocating it - I can atleast see some reason for such an act.
Posted by: Shanti at December 21, 2004 2:36 PM
:angry:u r a very sick woman indeed and u shouldnt be putting websites bout this at all it should be illegal and also like that i hate rabbits . com that is very sick and upsetting!!
Posted by: zoe at May 31, 2005 2:15 PM
Umm…Zoe, what exactly are you so hopping mad about?
Posted by: shanti
at May 31, 2005 2:26 PM
:angry:
BFD, it’s her body and her choice. Honestly, not everyone is made to have 3 kids and all at once. It’s her @#$@#ing business if she says 3 is too many.
Motherhood isn’t some saintly calling. Having triplets is no walk in the park—lots of multiple births die anyway because of complications.
F_ck all you women who think she’s a b_tch just for knowing what she can and can’t handle and saying so up front.
You’re full of sh_t.
Posted by: bigtimedreamer at August 2, 2005 4:40 PM