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Don’t get me wrong - I owe a lot to the early feminists. I remain in debt to those who made it possible for me to get a good education - study engineering - get a good job and do it - all without fear of ridicule. I drive around and pretty much do as I please, again all that made possible due to feminist activists. If I ever got divorced, no one is going to look at me like I were an untouchable and I could get married again if per chance I were widowed without worries.
I get to pump breastmilk for my son at work (I know there is such a thing as Too Much Information) in privacy in a New mothers’ room and am protected from harrassment as a woman before, during and after my pregnancy by various anti-discrimination laws. I cook and clean at home as much as (or less than…ummm…ok, very less than) my husband and he helps me out with the baby without feeling as though this is beneath him. I have full rights over my body and can choose to not have kids or even get rid of them while in my womb (not that I support that unconditionally). I have more rights on a child I give birth to than the child’s father most of the time.
According to studies I am too lazy to google up, women are now beating mens’ enrollment in colleges. Women can play pretty much any sport men can. I understand the world isn’t perfect yet, but here in the US atleast, I feel like we have caught up as much as possible with the men folk. In light of all this, is there still a need for an organized feminist movement? I am not being facetious here, so feel free to take this seriously and argue both sides. Tell me what part of the picture I am missing here.
p.s. I consider battered womens’ shelters as social services and not feminist services, so let us not include them in.
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Hey.. can’t you set up RSS feed for your comments? Most of the discussion happens there insofar as your blog is concerned.
btw, you are one crude woman ;-) you and your feminist posts.. :-P
Posted by: Dilip at August 24, 2004 2:51 PM
Dilip, guilty as charged on one count and will go ahead and do so for the comments on the other :)
Posted by: Shanti at August 24, 2004 2:55 PM
Can you narrow down the discussion a little? Are you talking about Feminist movements in general or the ones that are in the US of A?
Posted by: Dilip at August 24, 2004 3:27 PM
I think this most concerns feminists in the US, since in India we definitely have a few more problems like dowry, sexual harrassment at workplace, etc. to handle.
Posted by: Shanti at August 24, 2004 3:44 PM
I have never believed in organized movements of any kind.
Having said that, I don’t think feminism as the spirit and the thought is irrelevant. It still is required. Many more women still need to believe in themselves, and therefore, they need to have a certain idea of what exactly they are capable of, and what they can accomplish.
The spirit of fem’sm is as relevant today as it was 40-50 years ago. Or as irrelevant. ;)
Posted by: Ravages at August 24, 2004 11:51 PM
Oh, this was with ref to the US of A only.
I dont think a fem’sm movement will work in India.
I think all that India needs is to get rid of their stupid customs. And that alone will “liberate” indian women.
No amount of cajoling and coaxing and helping women discover themselves will do it. Get rid of the layers of customs and practices and that will achieve it.
Posted by: Ravages at August 24, 2004 11:53 PM
You are missing the picture of discrimination against women in Wall Street Investment Firms, Big Law Firms etc.,:tongue3: A lot of men continue to have a very poor image of women and that mindset needs to be changed. I am not sure if Feminism can change it though.
Posted by: Al Mujahid at August 25, 2004 7:19 AM
I would distinuish betwen women’s rights and feminism. the former fights for equality in the eyes of law, employer, opportunities etal. The latter began the same way but has meandered into something else.
I remember going with my then boyfriend to a feminist meeting at City University, only to be told that the true expression of feminist thought was to be with another woman:) i kid you not. THat was my first and last meeting.
There still exists the glass ceiling in many professions across the world. There exists discrepency in salaries between men and women performing the same funciton - with the same years of experience and the same abilities. So equality is definitely on, man hating or society hating or saying that we have been enslaved and therfore we shall rise up and overthrow the current system is living in cloud cuckooland:
Posted by: Harini Calamur at August 25, 2004 12:41 PM
Ravages, you are right about women on India - unless the “traditional way of doing things” changes, there is nochanging the womens’ mindset.
AM, I think your point ties in pretty nicely with Harini’s in the next comment - men have to change too to not underestimate women for things to be perfect, but I guess this is pretty close.
Harini, that is a good point to make the difference between womens’ rights and Feminism - the play “Vagina Monologues” disgusted with the kind of thinking that men are root of all evil in the world. I think demonizing the other sex to feel good about ourselves is what makes me uncomfortable about the feminists claiming to speak for me.
Posted by: shanti
at August 25, 2004 1:14 PM
What women in India need is sexual liberation. Female emancipation usually follows sexual liberation. Indian Middle Class and Lower Economic Class are very Islamised when it comes to gender relations, pre marital relations and women in the workplace. Free mingling of the sexes is a necessary prelude to men being comfortable with women at work.
Posted by: Al Mujahid at August 25, 2004 1:37 PM
AM, I think to an exetnt there is needs to be a liberation of the mind before there can be true sexual liberation of women in India. There is no point doing something if that makes you feel guilty for life afterwards. I think changing attitudes towards sex is only an effect of being liberal and not the cause.
As for the gender relations, I like to think of them as Victorian prudery more than Islamization, but I guess both the things are pretty similar in nature. When a man can freely talk to a woman without either’s sex getting in between I would consider workplaces truly equal.
Posted by: shanti
at August 25, 2004 2:32 PM
Posted by: Nilu at August 25, 2004 7:59 PM
Since last one year, there is a Helpline (91-80-56969850) in Bangalore for distressed men and their family members. It receives about 20 calls in a week from the men who are distressed due to harassment by the wife or her parents. The callers include many techies working in reputed firms and NRIs(Nonresident Indians/Indians living outside india). As soon as someone calls the helpline, his complaint is heard and he is called for a face-to-face discussion during which a lawyer and a counsellor are present.
The NGO called Sangyabalya and the helpline were launched by H V Arun Murthy, a freelance writer originally from Bangalore, who was living happily in Delhi until he was summoned by a court as an accused in a dowry case filed by his sister-in-law. Murthy says his brother married a girl from an orphanage. The marriage went bad very fast and has now ended in a dowry harassment complaint that put Murthy, his brother, and some other family members in jail for a short period.
“Who could have paid dowry for that girl? The orphanage authorities?” demands an angry, white-haired, single Murthy.
“The courts are always sympathetic to women,” he told rediff.com “Even our laws do not recognise the possibility of wives and daughters-in-laws ill-treating husbands and old in-laws. I know of so many cases where section 498-A [of the Indian Penal Code] has just been used as an instrument of blackmail. But public sympathy is all for the perpetrators of the crime. More than 90 per cent of dowry cases filed are dismissed. But no punitive action is taken against the women who file the cases, even though it is sometimes proved that they lied under oath.”
Under the Indian Penal Code of 498a, the police only require one line in writing from a woman, that her husband/his parents/his brothers/sisters are harassing her physically or mentally with demands of dowry. It is as easy as ordering a Pizza. The Police are bound to act by arresting all the accused (including mothers, unmarried sisters) with immediate effect without investigation, send them to Judicial Custody (prison) . This has led to a growing trend of women and her dominant parents harassing the husband and her family and then threatening them of the false complaints in case they resist. So the poor guy and his family tolerate fearing the worst. As this continues, the demands start increasing finally leading to situation when the battered husband and his family could no longer tolerate and they stand up. Then the woman goes for the final kill by filing the case. The imprisoned husband and his family can’t get bail for at least 2 days. If the girl’s family has good connections in corrupt indiansystem then the stay in prison can continue for even a month. Often, huge amounts of money is demanded from the guy and his parents for out of court settlements. Many Techies and NRIs in a state of continuous, iterative victimization and defamation, simply comply.
Sangyabalya can be contacted at 91-80-56969850. Their email address is victimsof498a@rediffmail.com.
Visit www.sangyabalya.org
For more details visit the following link and also view the full message board. http://www.rediff.com/news/2003/dec/24spec.htm
Other articles:
www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jun16/c3.asp http://www.hallabol.com/portal/article4.html
http://news.indiainfo.com/publicopinion/dowry.html
http://www.umiacs.umd.edu/users/sawweb/sawnet/news/news408.txt
there is also yagoogroup: misusedowryact
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Husband comes home to soft law
DEBASHIS KONAR
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 2003 12:25:21 AM ]
If you are planning to marry but afraid that your wife-to-be might complain to the cops about cruelty which could land you and your mother in jail after marriage, you can take heart. Section 498A of the Criminal Procedure Code, which hitherto was a non-bailable offence for husbands, is soon going to be a bailable crime.
Thanks to a reforms committee on the criminal justice system headed by Justice V S Malimath which suggested stark changes in the CrPC. Earlier under this Act, the husband could even lose his job for subjecting his wife to torture. But now all that’s going to change. The committee feels the law had many flaws. For instance, if there was a chance of reconciliation between the couple later and the wife wanted to return to her husband’s home, the provision came in the way of their unity. “This law (498A) has been grossly misused and even operates against the interests of wives,” reads the report. Once the offence becomes bailable, husbands will have less chance of finding themselves behind bars or losing their jobs.
The committee submitted 158 recommendations in May to the Union government and a fortnight ago the Union Cabinet discussed the issues which could see major changes in laws regarding gays and lesbians, rapists and child abusers.
Kolkata will be witnessing a brainstorming session on Saturday and Sunday at the National University of Juridical Sciences in Salt Lake. From Union home secretary N Gopalaswamy, CBI director P C Sharma, Solicitor General K N Bhatt, several IPS officers and jurists will discuss ways to implement the reforms.
Even in the area of adultery, women have not been spared (497 of the IPC). The report reads: “As a man can be punished for having sex with another man’s wife, similarly a wife is to be punished for extra-marital sex.”
However, in cases of bigamy, the wife has been given greater powers of protest. Earlier, marriages which were not properly registered were not recognised by the court and the “wives” had a tough time proving her legal status or claiming alimony when the husband left her. Now she can be his legal wife by living with him for a considerable period of time even without the bonds of matrimony.
“The committee feels that a marriage is performed if a man and woman lives together for a reasonably long period,” says the report.
Some brides are ‘villains’, not victims: lawyers
RAHUL
[ WEDNESDAY, MAY 01, 2002 12:32:02 AM ]
KOLKATA: City lawyers claim to be surprised at the spate of ‘patently unfair’ cases alleging cruelty to the bride under section 498A of the Indian Penal Code, which is a cognizable and non-bailable offence offence meaning that the police can arrest without warrants and bails can be obtained only from a law court and not the police station.
They are also surprised to come across many cases which, they feel, are brazenly fabricated and amount to a gross abuse of a legal provision.
Once a woman lodges a complaint, the arrest of the husband is virtually routine. And if he happens to be a government servant or working in a public sector undertaking or bank, his suspension follows again as a routine.
In some cases lawyers have been appalled to find elderly relatives of the husband and even visiting relatives of the husband implicated in the case.
In some cases the husband and his family are virtually being blackmailed into coughing up money and reach an out-of-court settlement.
In one of the cases the bride is said to have won the heart of her in-laws so much that when her sister-in-law gets married, all the family jewellery are put in her lockers.
She takes the jewellery, leaves the house and promptly lodges a complaint against her husband.
Inquiries revealed that she had an earlier affair and had left to live with her love, recalls Ananda Basu, Advocate practising in the Calcutta High Court.
Eminent lawyer Bishnu Charan Ghosh says, “As a lawyer I have never come across such gross abuse of any of the provisions of any Act as I am experiencing in 498A IPC cases”.
He goes on to say, “I don’t mean to suggest that brides are always the villains and not the victim. In a majority of the cases, in fact, the brides are at the receiving end. But what is surprising is the large number of cases where the brides actually seem to be villainous”.
Asked about the ways to check abuse of section 498A, B.C.
Ghosh and Gitanath Ganguly, the former suggests a threefold measure: (i) to convert section 498A into a bailable one, (ii) The Ld. court could carefully consider whether the allegations of the bride are indeed genuine at least against the in-laws or other relations of her husband when it directs investigation under section 156(3) of CrPC for an offence under section 498A and, (iii) The Ld. court could carefully take into account whether custodial detention is at all needed for the old in-laws and other relations.
Ganguly suggests that on receiving a complaint under section 498A from a woman, police should immediately approach the Magistrate instead of arresting the accused.
He asserted that the police should collect the materials, place them before the Magistrate and arrest people only with the permission of the Magistrate. He also suggests making the offence under this section a bailable one.
The lawyers also point out the irony that while women belonging to the poorer sections, for whom the section was primarily meant, are not even aware of the provision, the section is being merrily misused by a section of the urban women.
How strong is Nisha’s case?
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, MAY 27, 2003 05:24:30 AM ]
Prima facie, she has become an overnight celebrity. Nisha Sharma’s bravery in calling the cops minutes before her marriage with Munish Dalal has earned for her accolades and, seemingly, made her a role model for woman power.
However, the opinions of legal experts indicate the absence of a consensus on the exact Sections of the IPC applicable to the case filed by the Sharmas against the Dalals. The facts, in turn, speak for themselves.
The groom’s side has been charged under Section 498A of the IPC (a non-bailable offence which deals with punishment for cruelty against a married woman by her husband and relatives); besides, Sections 323 (voluntarily causing hurt) and 504 (punishment for intentionally insulting a person) of the IPC; and Sections 3 (punishment for both giving and taking of dowry) and 4 (punishment for directly or indirectly asking for dowry from the bride’s parents or her relatives) of the Dowry Prohibition Act —all of which allow bail.
However, despite the numerous Sections involved, senior counsel RK Naseem believes that Nisha’s is a simple case pertaining to Section 4 of the Dowry Prohibition Act. ‘‘Section 498A of the IPC is applicable only when the woman concerned is married and is subjected to cruelty by her husband or his relatives. As marriage had not been solemnised in this instance, Section 498A does not have any relevance to this case.’’ Senior counsel RK Anand, on his part, maintains that Section 3 of the Dowry Prohibition Act is applicable to this case.
‘‘Section 3, which calls for a punishment of five years, applies to this case,’’ he elaborates, ‘‘At the same time, both those who demand dowry and those who give it can be charged under this Section. As of now, while the groom and his mother are in custody, Nisha’s family has been let off.’’ For the record, Nisha’s prospective bridegroom Munish and his mother are in judicial custody, with their bail plea having been rejected by court. Side by side, Nisha’s counsel Amit Khemka maintains that the Dalals should not be allowed to escape punishment because of a ‘‘technical detail’’ in Section 498A of the IPC.
‘‘What can be more heinous than asking for dowry moments before a marriage is to be solemnised? This is why the judge concerned rejected the bail plea of the Dalals,’’ informs Khemka. The debate continues, but the last word hasn’t been written on Nisha Sharma’s case. For, the law will take its own course.
Can’t both sexes be fair?
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 07, 2002 08:56:53 PM ]
Like most laws, section 498A, IPC, this one too is ideal in its intent, but liable to fail abysmally in implementation, given the fact that litigants do not always fight shy of lying, even on oath, even in a Court of law, and yes, given the unfortunate fact that not all lawyers insist their clients stick to the truth!
In such a scenario, where it’s a question of word against word, who prevails? It is difficult to adduce admissible evidence for each and everything, especially when it involves that most intimate of relationships, in the case of sec. 498A, the spousal one! (only the `husband’ can get caught; `lovers’, seem exempt! Something the legislature needs to rethink, especially considering the present-day realities, and also the dupes sometimes made of women, cases of fabricated certificates, dubious `second’ marriages after convenient ‘conversions’, etc).
So, `husband’ is the first target. Then comes the ‘relative’ of the husband — nowhere is such ‘relative’ defined in the section — so, can the sister of the second cousin once removed, also be hauled off to the cop-station?
Then come the definitions of ‘cruelty’: wide, sweeping, unconstrained. As far as definition under sub-head (a) is given, the same makes no allowance for the mental or emotional make-up of the woman concerned. Some women can take any amount of punishment without being driven to suicide, some become ‘suicideal’ at the slightest hint of adversity.
Also, what constitutes mental injury or danger, is again a concept that is fluid, changeable, circumstantial. Often, hard cases do and can make bad law.
In a recent judgment, the supreme court ruled that an act committed with the intention to cause suffering to the opposite party, including husband, would be grounds for seeking divorce. • 13,000 men led by the all india crime against men by women sangh lead a morcha to the family court in ahmedabad last month.
IF MISA/TADA CAN BE REPEALED THEN SEC 498A OF IPC SHOULD BE REPEALED OR IT SHOULD HAVE 498B FAVOURING MEN OR IT SHOULD BE REPLACED BY THE WORD SPOUSE.
DOWRY/VISA DEMANDS: A number of U.S. citizen men who have come to India to marry Indian nationals have been arrested and charged with crimes related to dowry extraction. Many of the charges stem from the U.S. citizen’s inability to provide an immigrant visa for his prospective spouse to travel immediately to the United States. The courts sometimes order the U.S. citizen to pay large sums of money to his spouse in exchange for the dismissal of charges. The courts normally confiscate the American’s passport, and he must remain in India until the case has been settled. There are also cases of U.S. citizen women whose families force them against their will into marriages to Indian nationals.
PL SEND MESSAGES TO PRESIDENT BUSH AND ALSO THE P.M. OF U.K. TO SEE HOW THEIR CITIZENS ARE BEING HARRASSED BY INDIANS GIRLS AND THEIR FAMILIES IN FLEECING THE BRIDEGROOMS. INDIAN LADIES HAVE BECOME ‘PROMISCUOUS PROPERTY GRABBERS’AS PER TIMES OF INDIA -BOMBAY AND LOSE THEIR CASES BECAUSE OF THIS ATTITUDE AS STATED BY LADY ADVOCATE MS FLAVIA AGNES.
AS PER JUSTICE HON BLE J D KAPOOR ALL FAMILY MATTERS SHOULD BE COVERED BY CIVIL LAW AS WAS THE CASE 21 YEARS AGO AND NOT BY CRIMINAL LAWS SINCE LACS OF FAMILIES HAVE BEEN BROKEN BECAUSE OF THIS ILL CONCEIVED AND ARCHIAC LAW. 21 YRS AGO IT WAS GOOD BUT TODAY A GENERATION HAS PASSED AND YOUNG GIRLS THREATEN ELDERLY IN LAWS WHEN THEIR EXTRA MARITAL MISDEEDS ARE CAUGHT.
BUT WE WANT A TOTAL REPEAL OF 498A TO SAVE INDIANS/FOREIGNERS.
This has not however prevented the Government from introducing in Parliament the Criminal Law (Amendment) Bill, 2003 (introduced in Rajya Sabha on 22 August 2003) which included a provision to make Section 498A IPC compoundable Andhra Pradesh has already amended the law in this manner via the Code of Criminal Procedure (Andhra Pradesh Amendment) Act, 2003, which came into force on 1 August 2003.
SHRI L K ADVANIJ[FORMER DY PRIME MINISTER OF INDIA] HAS ALREADY SIGNED THE BILL ON 10 OCT 2003.
>IF MISA/TADA CAN BE REPEALED SO CAN 498A. AND ALL MARRIAGES SHOULD BE COVERED BY CIVIL LAWS AND NOT BY CRIMINAL LAWS LIKE 498A.
>
>SORRY FOR WRITING IN CAPS BUT MOST PERSONS FIND IT EASIER TO READ.
THERE IS A VERY SIMPLE WAY OF SOLVING THE FALSE COMPLAINTS /ARRESTS MADE BY INDIAN GIRLS BY FILING FALSE CASES [AS PER JUSTUCE J D KAPOOR AND ALSO JUDGES OF THE SUPREME COURT OF INDIA].
FURTHER WE SHOULD STOP MARRYING INDIAN GIRLS TILL PARLIAMENT REPEALS LAWS LIKE 498A/375[E.G THE CASE FILED BY PREETI JAIN ON FILM PRODUCER SHRI BHANDHARKAR] /376 WHICH ARE USED BY ’ PROMISCUOUS PROPERTY GRABBING’ INDIAN GIRLS TO FLEECE AND HARRASS AGED SENIOR CITIZENS OF INDIA. PL SPREAD THIS WORLD ALL OVER THE WORLD. U WILL SEE THE RESULTS SOON.
>THIS IS QUITE SIMILAR TO THE SYSTEM USED BY TYHE INDIAN TRANSPORTERS. THEY GO ON STRIKE FOR 10 DAYS AND THE GOVT OF INDIA BUCKLES DOWN. THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WITH THIS 498A MENACE IS A TOTAL BOYCOTT OF INDIAN GIRLS BY NOT MARRYING THEM . THE GOVT WILL THEN REPEAL 498A JUST AS IT REPEALED MISA/TADA
I hope I am sending this email to whoever is concernde on this issue, if not please do lemme know so that I can prune my recepient list accordingly. Sorry if this mail reaches you without your interest, but I had to send this since the issue has to spread throughout the citizens of India and the whole world. pl note our organisation is already known to most member of parliaments and a detailed discussion has already taken in parliament with the women m.p.s also supporting our cause. I you want the details I can supply the same. so that society is not sent on a downward snowball run like this.
FOR CONTACTING POLICE YOU MAY PHONE ME ONLY FOR FALSE COMPLAINTS MADE BY WOMEN AGAINST THEIR HUSBANDS and families.
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Husband comes home to soft law
DEBASHIS KONAR
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 2003 12:25:21 AM ]
If you are planning to marry but afraid that your wife-to-be might complain to the cops about cruelty which could land you and your mother in jail after marriage, you can take heart. Section 498A of the Criminal Procedure Code, which hitherto was a non-bailable offence for husbands, is soon going to be a bailable crime.
Thanks to a reforms committee on the criminal justice system headed by Justice V S Malimath which suggested stark changes in the CrPC. Earlier under this Act, the husband could even lose his job for subjecting his wife to torture. But now all that’s going to change. The committee feels the law had many flaws. For instance, if there was a chance of reconciliation between the couple later and the wife wanted to return to her husband’s home, the provision came in the way of their unity. “This law (498A) has been grossly misused and even operates against the interests of wives,” reads the report. Once the offence becomes bailable, husbands will have less chance of finding themselves behind bars or losing their jobs.
The committee submitted 158 recommendations in May to the Union government and a fortnight ago the Union Cabinet discussed the issues which could see major changes in laws regarding gays and lesbians, rapists and child abusers.
Kolkata will be witnessing a brainstorming session on Saturday and Sunday at the National University of Juridical Sciences in Salt Lake. From Union home secretary N Gopalaswamy, CBI director P C Sharma, Solicitor General K N Bhatt, several IPS officers and jurists will discuss ways to implement the reforms.
Even in the area of adultery, women have not been spared (497 of the IPC). The report reads: “As a man can be punished for having sex with another man’s wife, similarly a wife is to be punished for extra-marital sex.”
However, in cases of bigamy, the wife has been given greater powers of protest. Earlier, marriages which were not properly registered were not recognised by the court and the “wives” had a tough time proving her legal status or claiming alimony when the husband left her. Now she can be his legal wife by living with him for a considerable period of time even without the bonds of matrimony.
“The committee feels that a marriage is performed if a man and woman lives together for a reasonably long period,” says the report.
Posted by: kuldeep singh thind at January 5, 2005 1:10 PM
I never demanded or took single paise as dowry or anything still i went jail with your great law of 498a(IPC),After that she never came to the court to prove her complaint for last 5 years. If i`m not present for one date court issue Arrest warrant. Court sent summons to her,and they just ignore still police is not doing anything.when my lawyer say something, judge refuse to listen, is that what you call law, If women do anything that correct, even misuse law. we men do not have any rights to live in this country..?
Law always think,women as victims,
All women are not victims they r villain too.
If husband foundout her infidelity she file 498a a dowry case.
if she is not able to adjust with MIL/FIL she file harassment case.
She withhold sex in marriage,without reason still she file for rape case or threaten husband with that.
if she refuse to do house hold thinkgs husband should not tell her,as per law its harasment.
If she working still she is not giving her money to run the house or share her responsbility,still husband have no right to ask her. and law support this.
and at the time of child custody,even Father is SAINT and mother is Bitch still court gives child c ustody to Mother.
This is what our Great F**cking Indian Law doing.
Posted by: victim of 498a at March 5, 2005 4:27 AM
:mad::blush:;):angry::beam:;):nice::(
Posted by: ugjk at March 23, 2005 6:07 PM
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050403/punjab1.htm#8
Dowry cases to come under community policing plan
Jangveer Singh
Tribune News Service
Patiala, April 2, 2005
In a major policy shift, Senior Superintendents of Police (SSPs) in all five districts and three police districts in Patiala Zone have been asked to exercise restraint while proceeding against members of families charged under various dowry crimes.
The district police chiefs have been directed by Patiala Zonal Inspector-General of Police Rajinder Singh to arrest the accused in such cases only after a comprehensive inquiry.
Sources said these directions had been passed after a survey by the police revealed that a large number of false cases were being filed by women against their in-laws.
Besides asking the district police chiefs of Patiala, Sangrur, Barnala, Fatehgarh Sahib, Ludhiana, Ropar, Jagraon and Khanna, which fall under the Patiala Zone, to exercise restraint, all have also been asked to take dowry cases under the ambit of the community policing programme.
This system has already started yielding results with 4,698 disputes being referred to various districts in the zone last year. As many as 3,673 cases were solved through reconciliation. The community cell solved another 369 cases through mutual divorce.
Zonal IG Rajinder Singh, when contacted, said it had been decided to change the police strategy with regard to dowry cases after reports that in some cases, members of the accused family had committed suicide because of the humiliation suffered by them. He said the force had been given specific directions on how they should react after a dowry case was registered.
“The SSPs have been asked not to raid the house of the accused after registration of a dowry case. Instead, the accused should be called for a meeting”. He said it was also seen that sieze of dowry items did not help and that the items remained in police stations for years.
He said the police officers had been asked not to sieze such items. In order to ensure transparent functioning of the investigation officer in the case, the directions now held him responsible in case he made arrests not needed in the case.
The Investigating Officer would also be responsible for removing names of accused or relevant Sections from the FIR, if not proved, to ensure speedy and quick justice to the accused.
Posted by: another_one at April 4, 2005 4:05 PM
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AND JOIN FORCES TO FIGHT AGAINST THESE SO-CALLED DOWRY LAWS WHICH ARE BEING USED AS WEAPONS OF BLACKMAIL AND EXTORTION
Posted by: saveindianfamily at May 2, 2005 3:28 PM