nice to know that he did. but while everything can now be forgiven, it should not be forgotten!
PS: the simmering hasn’t come to a boil, i hope:)

I agree completely, Avinash - which is why it bothers me when people point at Amit, MadMan and others who worked to get this guy to apologize as if they were the ones who did something wrong.

I think this kinda got fixed before I simmered too long. good isn’t it? ;)

Commenting here after eons.

Shanti you have a right to be outraged about what’s happened here so far. And no, I don’t think that the bloggers going after Rohan Pinto was a “witchhunt”.
I hope this serves as an eye opener for many.

This post has the words ‘Cat Fight’ written all over it :-P Get ready for the desi version of Condi Rice vs Sen. Boxer all over again. I suggest we all form a circle around Shanti and Dina and start chanting ‘Fight, fight, fight!’ ,-)

Thanks, Ashwini (Boy, am I glad to see you after so long. How have you been? :))

Nathan, Rohan called me last night and as far as I am concerned it is over for me. As for the people who were in no way related to the events who want to have their say, I think they are like those who witness a fight in their neighbor’s house, go back into their own house and then scream at the top of their lungs for attention.

Off topic, in response to your quest.

Sent you an email couple of weeks ago. Sent it to your hotmail id. Not sure if you got it.

Shanti,

I am bemused at how you constructed a false dichotomy. I read Dina’s response and she disagreed with some of your actions. That hardly means that she “support[s] the person who wronged you.” I did not realize that her point was that subtle.

“There is a reason I am not naming any names here - we wouldn’t want to start a feeding frenzy here now, do (sic) we?”

and

“I think they are like those who witness a fight in their neighbor’s house, go back into their own house and then scream at the top of their lungs for attention.”


Can’t we have a civil disagreement without snide comments and personal attacks?

iu, I am bemused by the fact that you and others automatically assumed I was talking about dina when I named no names and had atleast four bloggers in my mind when I wrote this. Why? Is it because you think she fit the profile? In that case, I really don’t need to explain anything.

As for having decent discussions, I already had one with Rohan - we were the affected party and if he didn’t have a problem with what I wrote, why should others? It is also hard for me to talk seriously to anonymous people who pretend familiarity.

Fair enough — if you thought there are bloggers out there who supported Mr. Pinto and aimed your diatribe at them, then disregard my comment. However, as I stated in my previous comment, if they merely criticized your actions, that does not imply that they support Mr. Pinto.


“As for having decent discussions, I already had one with Rohan - we were the affected party and if he didn’t have a problem with what I wrote, why should others?”

I can’t speak for other people and whether they should be offended. I believe I conveyed my point regarding civil discourse in my last comment.


“It is also hard for me to talk seriously to anonymous people who pretend familiarity.”

I did not pretend familiarity. As far as being anonymous on the Internet, I’ll reserve my thoughts on that since it’ll derail this conversation.

iu, a lot of bloggers on the other side of the issue actually said stuff like it is stupid of me to go after Rohan for plagiarism since everyone pirates stuff and more such ridiculous reasons. Now, are they not implicitly supporting Rohan when they are accusing me of going after him for a silly reason?

Some have called it a witch-hunt and some have called it a feeding frenzy. I don’t see anywhere I haven’t kept an open mind about this stuff. I have not called Mr. Pinto any names in my blog or anywhere else. Most people I knew were very responsible, but I still get grouped as part of everything.

Taking your example of Dina herself, she lists lots of names people called Mr. Pinto - why doesn’t she link to it to show who said that stuff? Ravages called him some names and then he apologized - unconditionally. In classic fashion, she had to bring Arundhati Roy’s name into it, where again instead of debating the issue with me she took it back to her blog after she tried to join in an argument between me and Dilip. What the heck? How are these instances the same even?

I don’t have to explain anything to anyone really - no one has the right to tell me if I should be offended that someone copied my stuff. People still choose to do so when I am trying my best to be reasonably fair to all sides. Why is it that Rohan simply pulled his blog out and I am left defending myself here? Who is the guilty party?

(sorry iu, not all of this rant is directed at you)

Since when has calling names on a blog become “unacceptable”??

iu whoever you are – thanks for bringing up a conversation on civil discourse. That’s constructive in my opinion :-)

simmer down shanti – anger is blinding and destructive. i never had an issue with what you wrote. didn’t even link to it in my post. you are fully justified in your being upset about your posts being copied. i would be too. and take action.

my blogpost - http://radio.weblogs.com/0121664/2005/01/26.html#a583 - was not about just the plaigarism which i said was wrong and must be stopped. it was about the other allegations made - and i never said you made them did i ? and i’ve spoken to Amit, who’s posts i linked to - we have our differences but he’s been amazingly gracious and civil about them. he said so himself at a comment on my blog. i respect his views as he does mine - we dont necessarily have to agree and we aren’t passing judgement on whats right or wrong - or playing injured party or any other games.

you write in the public domain - so do i. we may differ in our opinions - thats creative chaos if its constructive. we may wish to air them and we do. if you dont like what i say, call me out on it. how come you have never left a single comment at my blog if you took offence to something i wrote?

i’ll say this once and never again - you want a fight and make everything so personal, that issues are never really discussed. or issues are glossed over. or issues are lost.

anyone can see that for themselves in the myriads of exchanges we had at your post on arundhati roy - http://www.madhoo.com/archives/003168.php. i have a right to my views as you do - if you felt i was butting in on your argument with Dilip - why didnt you ban me or stop me or ”out” me?

instead, as in this post here, you resort to snide allusions that don’t fool anyone. perhaps never intended to. sad. it is so demeaning to you.

and i am not playing. sorry. i simply don’t feel the need to. i am not weak.

lets respect our differences. and stop playing injured party. it takes away from the joy of blogging. and from respect for bloggers. and both of us know we are widely read and enjoy a lot of respect - don’t kill it Shanti.

ok? i do anticipate a personal attack from you on this. please disappoint me. :). and if it comes, i’ve said what i wished to say. no more. i have a life !

Dina, just read your own words and how you are playing what I call an anticipatory victim. Read my comment above that says I was referring to atleast four bloggers. Sometimes, it is really not all about you.

Nilu, I don’t know - ask the PC-police.

Hi Shanit,

I wanted to send you all an email, but then thought that posting this message wherever I could “may” be better.

Please…Please…Please… DO not pursue this issue. I have let it go with no anger or malice. Like Amit Said “people make mistake, shit happens, lets moven on”. So lets all do so. I made mistakes, and (not to offend anybody or start another chain) others did too… Why dont we all let bygones be bygones and just move on….

I admit that my rep has been ruined, years of hardwork has gone down in a matter of 3 days and may take 20 years to rectify. But thats the price I pay. I do not want others to pay a price like I did for mistakes that they “may” have commited.

This issue is causing a huge “rift” between people who knew each other so very well and were “brothers in arms”. Who am I to cause this. If you do get an opportunity to do anything abot this, i request you to advise everybody else to just let this go. let it be a closed chapter with a “lesson learned”.

Nobody could every rectify the damage it has caused. But we could all stop pursuing this and not fight like cats and dogs.

If people really want to do something about it, then delete all those posts that are out there. If posts could be edited, they could be deleted too… (but thats just my thoughts). Or let the posts remain, but do not contibue badgering each other.

“Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself”

this exact same post would be posted on all blogs I see that indicates any continuation of this topic. (and probably some which have references to me directly and no continuation)

Rohan Pinto

Rohan, what I tried to tell you in the phone call the other day was this - it is really not about you anymore. It is about a few people trying to be saints and trying to make bully others into accepting their sainthood. They are using you as a stick to beat up those whom they have had old grudges with (in some cases, not).

As you can see the time and date of the post above and other content in the first page, I am trying to move on. There are others who don’t.

Hi Shanti,

please… lets move on… lets not use sarcasm either, badmouthing a person is one extreme and sarcasm is the other. I do not belive anybody is trying to be a saint here.

When the bloggers ranted about me in a moblike manner it was ok, but when some take the other side, and say that they are trying to make ammends, it’s not ok, we call them “saints”.. is that fair ?

let people do what they think is right…..

I made ammends to my actions, I pulled down the entire site and also sent a direct apology to everybody concerned…. (not forgetting a personal verbal conversation I had with tons of folks), some choose to make ammends and some do not, let people do whatever they think, who are we to judge them ??

Hi Pinto,

reference to : http://www.madmanweb.com/archives/0508sting_operation_on_madman_shows_he_is_a_fraud.html

Isnt this enough to show your identitity … If you type “Rohan Pinto” or “cheater Rohan Pinto”, in google, it will give you a clearcut picture about the great man sorry, a great cheater Rohan Pinto.

Guys, this man has cheated in many ways and one instance is here, who is copying the videos from other site to his sites and claims to be of his own…. a bastard, who thinks very genious and computer savy…by stealing the ideas from others..
You know what, this man claims to be is born and brought up in Bombay and owns 4 bunglows…. which is unimaginable. I know this man personally..who blackmails emotionally the people of Goa to get attracted to his site by saying that he want to settle in Goa.in his retire life… what a magic? That too when all his parents and family is in Mangalore… a man who is poisoned with the chain of lies..
A man, who is a son of an ordinary teacher from Mangalore, Karnataka claims to be born and brought up in Bombay, says ” he was born and brought up in Bombay… what a joke…I dont know whether to cry for this or lough…
Here is the link for support : http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/rohan-pintos-konkantv/

I dont know what to say to this man as first of all have no ideas to make his site “the best” as he wacks the idea from others… who does not have anything of his own…upon that he tries to chases other people as hackers..when he is one of the noted hackers in the world..

In one of his sentence he says, Konkantv, is a showcase of Konkani culture, now my question is, this same man was saying over the phone to a close friend of mine, that he does not know to speak konkani(language which is spoken in the regions of Goa and Mangalore).. now my question is, when he does not know to talk the konkani language how can he make the show case of konkani culture??? Isnt this makes sense guys?
Its high time for you to show your identity Rohan Pinto, than curbing the ideas from someone else and announcing them as your own… Please, for God’s sake dont do it. That God will not forgive you for what you do…my dear bastard…
Dont sell your Mother for God ‘s sake… by saying that you were born and brought up in Bombay when its not true..please.. We hate people who does that …
They are worst than a raper who rapes their own mothers. You already killed your mother by saying that long back and now again dont rape her dead body and spoil the meaning of mother!!!!