Talking about women rights.

Check out the email, I got from this dude. It is clearly evident he is a women-hater.

Here it is.

http://sakshijuneja.com/blog/?p=172

Shanthi:
These cases are regarding 15 year old women who have married/eloped with a man of their choice and in one case also pregnant with her love child.
Why should the sad 15 year old woman suffer emotionally by having her lover being send to jail ?
What kind of women right’s activist you are, if you can not understand the sadness of another woman.

The judge I believe has made a wise judegment after very careful consideration of all facts involved.

All rhetoric aside, I firmly believe that things have to be judged on a case-by-case basis and it is not right to simply say that 15-year-old has the free will to choose a mate. It wasn’t that far ago and even now, we are a society plagued by child-marriage. For every one case of a girl eloping with a man of her own will, there are going to be twenty girls forcibly married off under this precedent. If you ask them, those girls will still probably say it is “their will” since they are too afraid to say anything else. Considering all that, there is a lot more harm done here than good and that is the reason why I don’t agree with the decision.

The judges were totally irresponsible in not mentioning this was a one-off case.

A point which you seemed to have missed , “Is the girl better off sent to the Nari Niketan?” ….From whatever i have heard Nari niketan is not that different from a jail.

You are very correct about the judges being irresponsible…..but is the media not to be blamed to portray the case thus. the media should also have seen that these were one off cases.

i think the girl should go for abortion and settle the matter between the two parties amongst police supervision. if time and reason approves, the two can get married later…

kaa, they didn’t have to send the girls to NariNiketan - their parents obviously still wanted them, which was the reason why they lodged the cases in the first place. It is very interesting that the judges used as a precedent a ruling from 40 years ago -

Quoting from 1965 Apex Court verdict in S Varadrajan Vs State of Madras, the bench said when a girl, who though a minor had attained the age of discretion and was on the verge of attaining the age of majority, accompanied a man with the desire of being his wife, the man cannot be held guilty of kidnapping as ‘the law does not cast upon him the duty of taking her back to her father’s house or even of telling her not to acompany him’.

Things were different back then and it was perfectly acceptable for young girls to be married off and bear children. I feel like the law should move on with times.

Abhishek, unless the girl wanted to, I woudn’t pressure her into getting an abortion. Her parents can take care of the baby if they were really concerned for their daughter’s welfare.

Shanthi:
By the will of nature/God/whatever, a human becomes man/woman when they reach the age of maturity and can pro-create.
Who has given you or anyone else from stopping a person to do what comes naturally to them ?
Now, about arranged/forced marriages, these are the actual sins commited by the society. I would expect that you as the women’s “lib” advocate should be asking for arranged marriages and forced marriages to be made illegal and punishable.
If you are truly believing in women’s liberation or human rights, you will not stop a young women from exploring her own sexuality, But on the contrary, here you are supporting her to be put in Nari Niketans, discarded by the parents who have foisted the cases to protect their own selfish social standing.
What a criminal system you support that can put the young woman in Nari Niketan just because she did what comes naturally to her.
Sexual freedom should be allowed for anyone who is sexually alive. And for the young, it is the responsibility of the society/elders to provide them sexual education and guide them in the path. Not make it a taboo and not discuss with them about it. For, in the end the young can/will explore and can make mistakes. And when they make the mistakes the act of the young man/woman is not the crime. But, the crime was done by the society/elders who did not provide sexual education and guidance to the younger ones..
Sad to point out, the criminals are actually people like you - Shanthi, with closed minds, who keep talking on women’s lib and have no intelligence to comprehend what women’s liberation truly means.

That is seriously the biggest bullshit thing I have heard in the recent times. Not everyone who wants to be sexually active is mature enough to or good enough to act on her desires. Sure, a 30-40-year-old man would love to “liberate” a 15-year-old wanting to experience sex. That doesn’t make him any less of a sexual predator or her any less of a victim.

Where did I ever say I support arranged or forced marriages? Unless your reading comprehension has been seriously compromised, that exactly is my fear that parents will force a teenager into a marriage she doesn’t want by bluffing that she is 15 and is doing it per her will. It is pretty hard to kinda guage a 15-year-old’s will doncha think?

In this specific case 3 men (age not known) were to be imprisoned, because the women that they feel in love and married were underage.
We do not know if these men were 18 years or 21 years or 95 years old.

The problem is that you are stuck with this sick perception that men are predators.

Chinaman, in case you absolutely insist on not reading what I write before arguing, I am saying there are predators who marry teenagers and parents who enable that. I am not blaming one particular sex for the problem. If you have read through my blog, you can see that I am not exactly of the opinion that all men are predators.

Shanthi:
Read the title of your article “Another blow to women’s rights”.
How does the judgement in anyway affect women’s rights ?
It is your unintelligent argument against the judgement that can be seen as anti-women.
You do not see the fact the wise judge has allowed 3 young men freedom from imprisonment and 3 young women freedom from creepy nari Niketans.
But, you-Shanthi, a self-styled womens-lib champion on web is against this judgement.

You would be happy to imprison the 3 men and shove the 3 women in Nari Niketans, for making a decision to get married out of love, when the women were 15 years of age..

Your unintelligent resoning is that this will allow criminal parents to force their daughters into marriage.
Shanthi…..let us take your unintelligent thinking and expand on it:
* Women get sexually assulted by some men in public places in India. So, Let us stop women from being seen in public places.

Does it make sense ? If women are not safe in public places, it is the duty of all of us to make public places secure for women, not stop women from being in public places.

In the same manner is your unintelligent attack on the judgement.
If there are criminal parents who force their children into mariage, arrest them and criminally charge them.
Not put the young women in Nari Niketans since they have out of their own free will decided to marry a man.. Not put the young man in jail, since he married the woman whom he loves.