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Here is a post I found via the Desipundit about some using Google Earth to figure out that a “Sanskrit Studies” building at JNU is shaped like the Swastika - river’s blue elephants: The Swastika in JNU. So what? Why be all alarmist about it? A Swastika is a big component of Sanskrit and Hinduism (which are both very inter-related due to the long association). What next? Getting alarmed over Ganesh posters that depict him with a Swastika in his hand and those of other Indian gods?
update: The link for the post above was changed for some reason overnight, so I found the right link and updated the post this morning. FYI, the post’s author apparently doesn’t want anyone to link to the post so she has taken to changing the URLs every few hours too keep the linkers confused - how original! The post still remains on her blog, so just go to the main page and scroll down. As an aside, if you don’t want people to read or comment on something you have written, I think a good idea is to NOT post it online.
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well said….it has been in our culture well before Hitler stole it from us…
Or is it that the Aryans brought it with them to India?
Posted by: jammy at October 19, 2005 12:43 PM
What?!! We’re NOT Nazis? When did this happen?
I mean we’ve been Nazis since when… the Indus Valley Civ.?
Posted by: sankar at October 19, 2005 1:45 PM
jammy, it is quite unfortunate that people choose to ignore history when alarmism suffices.
Sankar,shhhh! You are supposed to keep it all quiet - how is a secret HinduNaziFascist society to function if you go around giving away all our secrets in public?
Posted by: shanti
at October 19, 2005 1:49 PM
Ja Wohl.
I mean … erm… Understood.
Posted by: sankar at October 19, 2005 2:07 PM
sei jetzt schön brav ;)
Posted by: shanti
at October 19, 2005 2:12 PM
Shanti: That was hardly an alarmist post. There is a lot of saffronization going on in Education circles. Especially when it comes to history and language. While Swastika is a symbol rooted in the history of Sankrit - it’s use in contemporary culture has been less than pleasant. And I mean within contemporary Indian culture.
Given the current religious tension - It’s better to point out to state sponsored projects and look for possible gaps within them, than be taken by surprise. Blogs are precisely that. They try and pick up vibes long before the MSM can even vaguely sniff a problem.
Delhi Univ, and JNU are becoming increasingly coloured with politics of religion. And that’s true for most campuses in India. (Including the technical ones.) I think all of us perceive structures differently.
Posted by: neha at October 20, 2005 1:59 AM
Of course, LOL! :beam: That’s what happens when you have megalomaniacs perverting what is essentially a symbol with deep philosophical meanings. What’s next? The OM symbol? :evil:
Posted by: sandeep at October 20, 2005 2:20 AM
Neha, I find the post alarmist since the Swastika by itself and as related to the language Sanskrit should not raise any hackles owing to its history in India.
Would we be so concerned if an Arabic studies group made their building crescent-shaped? Why are the communist parties of India still using the hammer and sickle under which banner Stalin murdered millions ruthlessly?
Posted by: shanti
at October 20, 2005 8:48 AM
How does a symbol really matter. A few years ago BJP govt had “Vande Matram” whispered over the phone lines and we had Satyamev Jayate before independence. But this hardly made the country more patriotic or prevent us from corruption respectively.
Posted by: Hiren Shah at October 20, 2005 10:19 AM
You are right, Hiren - it doesn’t matter, which is exactly why kicking up a ruckus over something so insignificant is silly and alarmist.
Posted by: shanti
at October 20, 2005 11:09 AM
While Swastika is a symbol rooted in the history of Sankrit - it’s use in contemporary culture has been less than pleasant. And I mean within contemporary Indian culture.
Why has the use of Swastika been less than pleasant in India?
Posted by: JK
at October 20, 2005 12:17 PM
all i know is when i made a pot in my ceramics class and wanted the hindu swastika on it, my teacher went nutz… oh well… i even brought in a hindu wedding card to prove it to her… but under pressure, had to compromise and cover the damn thing in flowers… cest la vie.. my high school ‘wanting to teach other about brownie culture’ attempts failed.
Posted by: chick pea at October 20, 2005 9:21 PM
The link is gone again….
Anyways..where are these new “Nazi” classified people poiing up from ??? Here there are “HinduNazi” and on my blog this one asshole called me “FemiNazi”…what more types are there???
Posted by: Sakshi at October 21, 2005 8:10 AM
Sakshi, I think it is the game of the intellectually lazy to call anything unfamiliar some version of Nazi or the other.
It is also pretty interesting that River is playing these games by switching the link around every few hours. Why post something on your blog if you don’t want others to look at it and talk about it?
Posted by: shanti
at October 21, 2005 8:15 AM
Shanti, I guess you are right. I mean for Hitler’s sake, let the word ‘Nazi’ be given an official burrial.
As for the author of the site you mentioned, has someting really interesting put up titled ‘The Parable of the Bitch’….I think you need to check it out.
All I will say is that the plot is just getting too interesting…or am I just being too ‘Bitchy’..ooopppsss!!!
Posted by: Sakshi at October 22, 2005 6:21 AM
I read the post, and I got the impression that she posted it because she had studied in JNU, and found the fact interesting. I would probably post a picture if I found out that my school building was shaped like an ostrich and not like our Maths teacher’s head, as I had previously assumed. And you have to admit, it is interesting.
PS: I checked the DesiPundit link, and found that she changed the link because of the ugly comments she got, where the commentors accused her of being racist. She also requested DesiPundit to remove the link. You can read about it here.
Posted by: Aditya at October 22, 2005 3:10 PM
Sakshi, it is pretty interesting that now the poem is titled “aitch” instead of “bitch”. I think I’d rather be a strong, independent and sometimes stubborn bitch to anything else, doncha think? ;)
Aditya, the funny thing was that the author changed the link atleast 4 times to the last count after Desipundit removed her link. Secondly, it was the comments (that have now been removed) - hers and those of her readers - that were of the tone of ,”Oh My God, the swastika! Hindu Nazis!” (I am paraphrasing, of course!).
Posted by: shanti
at October 22, 2005 8:18 PM